Has anyone here argued that this is the problem with either show? Absolutely no! So why, in response to criticism of the writing, and specifically highlighting via examples and description what it is that long-time fans on this forum are missing in Star Trek, are you talking about totally different people's problems. Since you keep repeating this point: Do you not realise that this is adisingenuous deflection? Are there people who dislike Discovery or Picard for having gay, trans, non-binary, lesbian, black characters or female leads? Yes.
